
How God called me out by: Loretta
How God called me to be His and made me His: (1985)
I was in the Roman Catholic Church from birth to age 17. I was completely lost! That is a story right there. I was very religious and did every Roman Catholic ritual, I had my Confirmation, I made pilgrimages to the California Missions, I was a disciple of St. Francis of Assisi and I considered becoming a nun. I went to the Catholic Youth Conference in 1985 called “Make a Difference” where we sang “We are the World” and where they told us we would change the world.
One day at school a classmate came to sit with me and talk. He poured out all his sad problems. Problems at home and at school. He was very depressed. I just listened, trying to be a good friend (though I hardly knew him). That was on a Friday. On Monday in homeroom, during the announcements, they said that this boy was dead. He fell off the rocks at the Cliff House in San Francisco. I was shocked- I had never known someone, much less a teen, to die. I did not know if he fell off in an accident or if he jumped. I remember going to his memorial service and seeing his parents, siblings and friends crying.
I made an appointment with my parish priest and asked him to tell me what I needed to know. I wanted to hear the gospel but I did not know how to ask the question. He did not have anything to tell me. I asked him “what happens when we die”. He said that we don’t really know. I asked him what we are supposed to “do” to have God and be right with God? He told me to “do everything we tell you to do in the Church, and you’ll be fine.” I knew that was untrue because I had been doing all those works of religion for 17 years and I did not have God, I had tradition and works of religion. I went home and prayed to God, asking Him to reveal Himself to me, (His Spirit made this happen I believe by His grace) and a NT bible arrived in the mail addressed to me. I do not know who sent it! Reading the gospels, Jesus revealed Himself to me as i was reading His words (His declaration that He is the Way, the Truth, the Life, and His call to repent and believe, His call to follow Him). It was a moment I shall never forget. He used His written word (the bible) to call me by His Spirit. As I read His words, He was talking to me, claiming me as His, and calling me to be His and to follow Him. By His grace I heard His call, believed Him, dropped everything and followed Him.
How God began to sanctify me and purge sin from me through the fires of tribulation(1998).
After Jesus first called me to be His(1985), He transferred me to His Kingdom and immediately began His work of purging sin and setting me apart for Him. The first thing He did was separate me completely from the RCC. He gave me insight and understanding and I repented so that I tossed my rosary beads & little ‘Mary’ idol statuettes and stopped worshiping the Pope & St. Francis and stopped going to the “sacrifice of the mass.”
The next thing He did was begin the work of healing my mind and heart from the devastating effects very bad sins that were committed in my presence and against me during my life, that did great damage to my soul. God did this through prayer and believing the Truth of the written Word, the scriptures applied to my heart through the power of the Holy Spirit. In other words, Jesus healed me!
The next thing He did was begin to sanctify me in the area of besetting sins and issues of my immorality… this happened over a course of time, through repentance and God was faithful to completely remove these sins from me in His faithfulness.
Fast forward to 1998. I had become complacent in my relationship with the Lord. I was comfortably settled in the routine of Modern Evangelical Church. My heart was growing lukewarm to the Lord as I started committing major idolatry in my heart, (coveting) desiring the things of this world. “Someday we will move to the good neighborhood and get out of this ghetto, like my Church girlfriends have. Someday we’ll take great vacations like them, Someday we will live the good life, be rich, buy nice clothes and live the American Dream!” My heart was wandering. I was desiring another love (the world and the things of the world) and I had put the Lord Jesus on the shelf. Oh but everyone could see I was a I was a good Christian; I went to Church faithfully. But where was my love for Jesus that I had at first? Where were the ‘things I had done at first’ (my love, devotion and faithfulness to Him)?After all He still loved me…..
In His love for me and faithfulness to His commitment to our covenant relationship, God used a hard trial as the means through which to purge and cleanse the sin (leaven) in my heart with burning fire, to bring my heart back to Him. What was the trial? Out of the blue, to my shock, my young husband of 7 years got cancer. He was staged 3.5 out of 4. Our children at the time were 5y,3y and 8mos. old. Here is how God used that for good. This was 1998. It was a year that changed everything. http://witnessingencouragement.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/good-suffering/
How God preserved my faith and made me an overcomer through the earthquakes and tribulation of spiritual distress, agony and confusion (“Babylon”) experienced at my Church (2005).
After the intense cancer trial and it’s aftermath, God made me hot spiritually with love for Him and greatly increased my love for the lost, for the gospel, and for Truth.
The year was 2004-2005 and i had just completed 20 years in our Neo-Evangelical Church, working in the baby/toddler nursery, preschool, VBS, and K-1 Sunday School. (This was the Church where i met my husband, married and dedicated our 3 children to the Lord.) I entered into a series of experiences that left me utterly devastated, confused, bewildered, rejected, and afraid. I shall attempt to summarize. They hired a woman pastor of children’s ministry. She introduced the “globalist” teachings to us teachers to teach the children. She trained us teachers in New Age mystical contemplative exercises. She got up in the Church service (to talk about being a volunteer in children’s min) and literally led the entire assembly (except me) in a “guided visualization” ritual. She did this for 2 services and the pastors/elders did nothing. I confronted her in private about this, with scripture. She was after all, subtly and methodically introducing elements of witchcraft and New Age into the Church. She laughed in my face, mocking me harshly and said, “Who do you think you are? I have advanced degrees! We do things (in ministry) differently now!” She called me critical and divisive and said I had no authority to question her. She laughed and blew me off. I was beyond shocked at her response. I did not even bother telling the elders. They would only have circled the wagons to defend and protect themselves and their Church.
They signed the Church up with Habitat to build a house with their “All-Faiths” interfaith project. I called HH to ask about how the interfaith program works. They said they were so excited to see Churches participating and all the religions coming together. I began to realize the Church leadership had no discernment.
They adopted “Vision 2010” and told us we all had to volunteer. They said everyone was required to go through the church growth study material. They said EVERYONE had to be on the same page. They adopted Willowcreek and told us they wanted to grow to 5000. A staff man (making announcements) got up and ridiculed traditional evangelism where you go out to reach the lost– he mocked it “We wouldn’t want to go out on the street or anything Noooooo, Hahahaha!!!!” and led the assembly in “group psychology-must conform-behavior” laughter- laughing at evangelism. The whole crowd laughed because he laughed. He said we all have to bring them in (to the Church) through any means necessary, even through “the back door”. I felt shamed for wanting to do biblical evangelism.
I made an appointment with the pastor to tell him how God had worked in my life radically and i was ready to serve! I volunteered to teach a “new believers” bible study(women). Meanwhile a very prominent man in the Church laughed at me and challenged me condescendingly (“little lady, haha”) when I questioned him upon finding out he is a 32 degree Master Mason in his city for 30+ years. I said to him, one cannot be a Mason and a Christian, you have to choose. He laughed at me and dared me to prove it. (This is Christian behavior?) I wrote a 10page apologetic on “why”. I had reason to know. My paper was 75% scripture and 25% personal eyewitness account. I was upset (having memories) and my dh said, don’t give it to the man. My dh was protecting me. I needed closure so I sent it to the pastor.
Then I went to the appointment with the pastor; the only one I had in 20 years. I told him how awesomely God worked in my life and now i was ready to do anything for Him. Pastor told me I was not allowed to teach the new believer bible study; I had not been through “their training”. I told him I had equivalent previous training via my extensive ministry experience as a believer (goes beyond teaching sunday school). He denied me. He told me I can be “in” a bible study (for new believers!). I was pretty humbled by this. I submitted, trying to humble myself and submit to the Lord’s will in my life. I again offered to teach a group, he said no I would not be allowed. They put me in a group as a learner. Before the group even began meeting, it was cancelled because the teacher suddenly got married and did not have time to lead the group. So the entire group was cancelled. I said “I can lead the group.” He said I was not allowed to. I suggested they put me in someone else’s group. They denied me. They said the groups were all full. They said they can have “no more than 5-7 people in it or it won’t work.” (It= the Dialectic group psychology process.) It was about a week later when I was told by the woman’s ministry pastor (a woman) that maybe they can get me IN a group in a couple of years! I got the message: I was not wanted at all.
Then he brought up the 10 page apologetic. Ha, I actually thought he was going to say “good job” to me. “IT WAS UNLOVING” he said. He said there is no point writing such a paper, the man sees nothing wrong with it” (It =being a 32degreeFreemason). I told the pastor that is why I wrote it, to show him “why”. He asked me if i was involved in “Discernment ministries” and I said, “What ‘s that?” (I had no idea; I’d never heard of that term before that day.) He did not answer me, just stared at me for a long time with a concerned and disapproving look on his face. Then he stood up and changed the subject! He did not answer my question! He said, “You seem very interested in Truth?” as if that were a concern. I was so in shock at that question I just said, “yes.” I was terrified and very intimidated, and felt ashamed. I asked him what I can then do to help serve the Church (the Vision 2010 Church Growth Program) and he said, “Why don’t you go work in the Sunday School”(preschool children, which I had done for 20 years but was no longer called to do that). That was the moment I was in effect disenfranchised from the Church, from any ministry outside nursery to 1st graders. I was proverbially “shown the door”. I was denied permission to serve in Church according to my spiritual gifts, qualifications and the leading of the Holy Spirit in my life. After that I reviewed the bible study curriculum for those groups they shut me out of (they had given me a copy of the book before deciding I was not allowed to be a leader or be in one). The entire teacher training portion was all about using Diaprax and group psychology to make the people feel part of the group. It was all New Age nonsense! No wonder they would not let me lead this: there is no way I would play group therapy facilitator and twist scripture, but rather I’d lead inductive bible study and teach didactic truth about being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. I did not fit in the Church “Vision”.
Then they had Chap Clark from Fuller come give a lecture. It was marketed to Christian parents. The theme: “Hurt, understanding the minds and hearts of youth today.” The packed Church building was full of ppl from different Churches and the community. This professing Christian leader did not preach the gospel to the lost, he did not teach anything biblical to the Christians. He gave a 3 hour talk on modern youth culture Psychology and Sociology and diapraxed everyone together for a social Communitarianism false gospel that sounded more like the Humanistic New Age religion of Oprah. He advised Christian parents NOT to encourage their teens to share their faith at school, if the friends did not like it, that would jeopardize their kids standing in the social cluster(gang/clique) and that would be the “worst possible thing that could happen to them.” He went on to say that our kids would be the change agents. Clark was the change agent acting as antichrist as they come, right up in the pulpit, a lying deceiver, misrepresenting our Lord Jesus Christ. My system was in shock. http://witnessingencouragement.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/educate-me/
Then my dear husband who was on staff, was fired. But! The rest of the staff was told that he quit! I found this out the hard way when a lady at Church asked how we were doing and i admitted to her that it has been hard since my husband was “let go” from Staff and she panicked, eyes got huge, she stopped me and said, “He didn’t get fired we were told he quit!” I said, “Uh, noooo, he was let go.” She freaked out and said “I don’t think we are supposed to talk about this!!!” and she turned and ran away leaving me standing there, wondering what happened. Then i realized: she is on Staff!
“I love you and accept you no matter what”
“accept you’re powerless”
“will you include Me (God) in your plans for the future?”
“I’m (God)waiting to share My plan with you.”
“heaven rejoices over your happiness”
“I (God) created you longing for deep community”
“make room for Me (God)” There was nothing that we would call part of the gospel message. Then the pastor got up on stage! (The same pastor i had the meeting with.)I thought, “Yay, now he will preach the gospel to the hundreds of out of town holiday visiting relatives in the audience.” He said, “Wouldn’t it be an amazing thing if billions of people all over the world said ‘yes’ to God tonite? Think about how the world would change. Think of what would happen in the international conflicts. THERE WOULD BE PEACE. We would be able to wipe out poverty, reach out across racial, economic boundaries- if people said yes to God all over the world- they would touch the hurting people of the world. There are 40 million people suffering from AIDS in Africa. If we said ‘yes’ to God COLLECTIVELY what would happen? Not only in this country but in this world. I say that because I want to encourage you this Christmas to pray for our world. It is so easy to think about everything that’s wrong and to walk thru life defeated, but you know what? Pray. Pray for our world, for what’s happening around the world that more and more people would ‘say yes to God’……..and His gift of love and peace and grace through Jesus Christ.”
(The last part said very quietly.) Our jaws were on the floor. We found out that Christmas show material was bought from Willowcreek for $$$$ and read (recited) word for word.
How God called me out and delivered me from the apostacy, lovelessness, confusion, hypocrisy, shame, condemnation, bondage and lies of Institutional Religion. (early2010).
(Reviewing)…After I left the RCC at age 17 upon becoming a Christian, I entered the world of Neo-Evangelicalism where I attended a Willowcreek style Modern megachurch for 20 years. After experiencing great distress and confusion at the apostacy of Humanism, Pragmatism, Man-controlled Corporate Business model (top-down, TQM) organization, false gospels and false teachers that had come in, I fled the megachurch thinking, “there must be a spiritually safe place somewhere in Christendom.” There must be a place in Christianity that is unaffected by the apostacy, I assumed at the time….
So, we left the Megachurch. Looking for this last bastion of true Christianity that was not affected by the apostacy, we Church-hopped several months. We ended up in the total opposite kind of Church: a small, traditional, old-fashioned, Bible teaching “independent Baptist type” Church where we were for 4 years. The issues here were many and complex. They were like a small private “club” that you had to conform to, in order to be accepted. I desperately wanted to be accepted, one reason being, I thought I must make this work since I was equating being a good Christian with going to Church. I began to live to try to conform myself to their expectations of what a proper Christian lady was supposed to be. I began to be shamed for not performing and conforming to their expectations. I experienced shame and social rejection for not adequately conforming to all their Church traditions. I was even literally shunned as punishment for misbehavior for about a year by an “important person” in the Church. My crimes were: preferring street evangelism to lady’s teas, wearing jeans rather than dresses sometimes, bringing a filthy hungry homeless person to Church, correcting an “important lady’s” legalistic shame and bondage based false teaching out loud in class (whoops, but that was for the spiritual benefit of the baby Christian women present), as she taught the women, not faithfully attending all the social functions, not “acting” happy (pretending) every single time; confiding in the ladies some of my painful personal struggles. Instead of comforting and helping, I was severely reprimanded and rebuked for this “sin of complaining”. Just generally not conforming to Church cultural traditions well enough.
While experiencing this social-emotional punishment, guilt and manipulation, I began trying even harder to conform myself to the Church culture and expected behavior, so that i would be accepted and my shunning would stop. I tried to do everything that would please them and make them accept me, including: working in the nursery and preschool again! Pretty soon I was obsessed with what stylish/pretty outfit I was going to buy to wear to Church the next week (no i’m not joking). I put a lot of time, money, thought and energy into coordinating blouses, skirts, shoes, nylons, and doing my hair and makeup pretty. I knew this would garner “approval”. I was putting ALL my energy into conforming and trying to be accepted at Church. This was religion and bondage to me, and went against my conscience. I knew it was not the real life in Christ! But I was doing it anyway. I was sinning against my own conscience. I was putting on an “act” at Church. I was, with knowledge and against my conscience, choosing to do this, I was so desperate for acceptance. I was becoming a total religious self-righteous “outward form” hypocrite. I realized that I was striving to please these people at the Church, not living to please Christ. I was seeking approval of “man” rather than approval of God. I was trying to submit myself to, and be obedient to “Church” instead of submitting to and being obedient to Christ. I was becoming (once again, as in my Roman Catholic days) very religious. I was substituting “Church” and “outward form” of religion, for Christ Himself. That is scary. I was serving “Church” and not our Lord Jesus. I was listening to Church (people) and not to Christ. I was living for Church first and not for Christ first. I was being conformed to the image of “Church” and not to Christ. I was committing religious idolatry in my heart. These things went against my conscience as a believer. And I was substituting Church for Jesus Christ in my heart and life. I knew it and I was very conflicted in my mind and heart; “religion” was making me lose my mind.
Besides this, they taught many Church doctrines that I did not even believe in, and they had traditions that I was very opposed to, anyway. Let’s just say I would not pass muster on paper, if I tried to become an official “member”. One thing was, the pastor always taught whatever John MacArthur taught doctrinally. I don’t believe everything that John MacArthur teaches. I think the pastor taught whatever was in the JMac Study Bible Notes. I was not happy when I heard the pastor teaching that the actual blood of Christ is “no big deal, it’s just a “symbol” of the whole atonement”, and “it’s just a symbol of the death of Christ.” I believe the blood of Christ is a very big deal and this teaching upset me. That comes from JMac teaching. Also, I am not a Dispensationalist. I just do not believe in Tim LaHaye/David Hocking theology. I don’t believe in the “Ryrie Study Bible notes” I don’t believe in the “John MacArthur Study Bible notes”. I believe Dispensationalism is a huge lie. Also, they were pretty heavy on the “patriotism” themes; I recall them having patriotic songs during “the worship service” on patriotic holidays. There was a lot of support for the government and military from the pulpit (it was the Republican administrations at the time.) I am very much opposed to combining our faith in the Lord Jesus with any kind of naitonalism/politics/patriotism etc; I believe this is “mixing”, it is idolatry. I kept quiet about these beliefs; I kept this to myself. But these things went against my conscience as a believer and vexed me greatly!
I finally came to the great spiritual distress of realizing that I was faced with the choice of either living for Institutional Church or living for Christ. It became unbearable. I was under pressure to conform to “IT” (a Thing) and to accept ITs customs, traditions and doctrines, in order to be accepted. I was trapped in spiritual slavery, shame, guilt, bondage, legalism and lies. I was in Babylon!
The year 2009 was a very emotionally difficult year. But the Lord had prepared me spiritually with all the suffering I had been through before. He now had a new assignment for me for the year 2009: comfort many hurting people, especially brothers and sisters in Christ! (John13:34, 1John4:7, 1Thes4:18, 1Thes5:11) Here is a snapshot of people in my life in 2009: A family friend experienced an unbelievable tragedy and he spent a lot of time with us. One of my best friends had cancer and was very sick during her recovery; we spent a lot of time together. A family member went through a crisis, I tried to be there for her. On Thanksgiving day, my daughter’s athletic teenage best friend became paralyzed from the waist down, we went to the hospital several times to visit her. And my 95 year old grandmother was dying; I was helping my 75 year old mother care for her in her home for two months, until she died on Jan.1, and it was sad, very sad. There were other people, too. By the end of January 2010 after we buried my grandmother, I was exhausted.
I wrote a letter to my pastor. What was I thinking? I was seeking comfort. I was weak and drained, but trusting the Lord with faith. Why did I not just go to the Lord only, for comfort? I had many more lessons to learn.
I told the pastor about the hurting people that the Lord brought into my life, (which I accepted gladly) and how I did not know “why” all these people with tragedies were my “assignment” from the Lord for those months, but I was trusting Him, not knowing the “why” of all these painful tragedies. In his response to me, the pastor said that “often Christians think that the Lord is the one who brings these people into our lives, when in reality it is our own fault that we are put upon by others, because we have not put up the “Boundaries” to keep these people out of our lives, so they do not take all our time and energy”. He told me some of those people I probably should stay away from; they probably needed professional help. He suggested it was my own fault I was so exhausted because I did not put my hand up to keep them at bay, I did not say “no” to these people from imposing on my life.
This time, “I WAS TOO LOVING” to those who needed it: to my dear Christian brethren, family and friends. The Lord brought me through suffering so I could minister to the suffering in 2009. I was shamed and confused by his response. It was my fault for choosing to love and minister to the hurting that the Lord DID bring into my life in His sovereign plan for my life. The pastor’s “counsel” was devastating to me. Where was the love of Jesus? I was confused, disheartened and discouraged to say the least.
My soul was being destroyed by religion. My relationship with Christ was being damaged by Churchianity. One Sunday morning I was sitting in my seat waiting for the service to start. The Lord spoke to me and said, “Is this what you are choosing over Me?”
I was shocked. I was devastated. “No, Lord!” I answered to Him in my heart. I was heartbroken at His question.
I realized at that moment that He was showing me that He and this Thing that became an idol in my heart (Churchianity) were 2 different things, and that He wanted me to consider which one I wanted.. because it was going to be either one or the other.
At the end of January 2010 God released me from that Church. At that moment, God released me from the Babylon of the institutional, man-powered, “High Church” System of prevailing Church-State Christendom. “You are released, free to follow Me.” He called me out –and I ran for the door– exiting Churchianity. God has freed me to follow Jesus Christ unhindered, without confusion, shame, bondage and lies. Now I listen to my Shepherd. Now I follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
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The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalm 23
For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick….Ezekiel 34
rory
November 25, 2011
this is a very profound testimony and we went through much of the same.
I recall our last-gasp effort to conform to the last “God-ordained” church growth program/ leadership development program which fizzled and was later abandoned. (The “G-12”)
By that time we were spiritual toast, had witnessed the transformation of our assembly into a worldly, carnal, prosperity-driven social group with a whitewash of Christianity.
-we were dying spiritually…
LouAnn
November 25, 2011
Awsome testimony Sister Loretta! YAY!!!! Whom the Lord sets free, is free INDEED!!!! God’s protection was on you for sure!! Praise His Name!!!
fleebabylon
November 26, 2011
Wow sister – this is the first time I have read your testimony. God bless you in Christ Jesus.
-Jim
fleebabylon
December 11, 2011
Also – great picture!
Michael
February 3, 2012
Loretta! Far out testimony! I could sooo relate. My history is very close… just a few different heresies in the different churches I was in, but the same over-lording spirit in the pastors and false prophets. I thought I should put the comment on here about your testimony that I put on your FB wall, being this is what it applies to…
I finally got the same message as you from the Lord after much church abuse. I was sitting there one Sunday and I heard Him say, “Why do you keep seeking the Living among the dead?” Wow! What a show stopper. “God! Is that how you see all this?” Another time I was crying out to God, “God, I don’t fit! I just don’t fit!” and He responded, “You are not supposed to fit!” Then after telling a sister at a home gathering about all the abuse I had experience from pastors over the years she said, “Well if you keep going into a yard and trying to walk up on the porch and a big dog comes out from under it and bites you on your leg… maybe you should learn not to go into that yard!” I said, “Sister, you don’t know what you just said!” That’s it. I am through with that whole system.” Then she tried to retract what she said as not what she meant. :-p
The worst part of it all was that I, like you, kept trying to change to meet their approval. Like Jesus of the false spiritual leaders of the Jews said, “You circle land and sea, trying to make one convert and when you are through with them, they have become twice the child of hell as you are.” Through coercion, guilt, shame, etc. they attacked who Christ is in us as UNACCEPTABLE! You, like me, have that “bummer birthmark” (that FarSide cartoon deer with a big red bulls-eye on his chest).
I am so glad that we both finally saw that it was Jesus and Him alone that we are to look to and appeal to in all matters in our lives. It took me years to learn that there is no such thing as “delegated authority” in the Kingdom of God. Jesus never left us alone and delegated His authority to church leaders in His place. His authority abides in His Spirit who is with us unto the end of the world. We are HIS ecclesia, and as members of His body, e respond to Him alone as our Head. As we abide in Him, we are safe from the wicked one and his assigns and it is there the Jesus produces His fruit in and through us.
Keep seeking, asking and knocking in Him and you will keep receiving and finding spiritual truth and His doors will open to you. Only Laodicea has a closed door to our Lord and He wont be put off much longer.
ruach34
February 16, 2012
The Lord richly bless you, dear saint. Thank you for writing with honesty. It blesses me to read others going thru similar experiences as my wife and I. Christ Jesus is the only reason for living, serving and dying!
michaeldc110
February 17, 2012
Here is an excellent allegory, which is on our website, written by a brother under a pen name about our callings as we struggle to get beyond the tentacles of Babylon and reach for the City of God which has only Jesus as its Foundation as well as Cap Stone.
http://www.awildernessvoice.com/Escape.html
May He bless you as you seek Him alone as your All in all.
Michael
Loretta
February 17, 2012
Thank you Michael! I’ll read it now…
Loretta
February 17, 2012
Michael, yes i’ve had that story linked on this site from the beginning of this site. I it found on another page (tripod.com). Yes very good allegory, thanks!
michaeldc110
February 17, 2012
I got a post from this brother who wrote it under his real name. I have since forgotten it, but he was blessed to see it on our website. 🙂 You can tell that this guy has walked many miles in his pursuit of God’s kingdom and did not turn aside into the broad doorways of Christian City for long.
Judy washington
February 28, 2012
THAT IS REAL DEEP!!!
Amy
June 8, 2012
Beautiful testimony! God bless you and your family!
Lynn
June 13, 2012
“Men of high degree are a lie.” Psalm 62:9
“For Your lovingkindness is before my eyes, And I have walked in Your truth. I have not sat with idolatrous mortals, Nor will I go in with the hypocrites. I have hated the assembly of evildoers, And will not sit with the wicked.” Psalm 26:3-5
“And I find more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, Whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, But the sinner shall be trapped by her.” Ecclesiastes 8:26
“You are an adulterous wife, who takes strangers instead of her husband. Men make payment to all harlots, but you made your payments to all your lovers, and hired them to come to you from all around for your harlotry.” Ezekial 16:32,33
“Her princes in her midst are roaring lions; Her judges are evening wolves that leave not a bone till morning. Her prophets are insolent, treacherous people; Her priests have polluted the sanctuary, They have done violence to the law.” Zephaniah 3:3,4
“They are silly children, And they have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, But to do good they have no knowledge.” Jeremiah 4:22
“With their flocks and herds they shall go to seek the Lord, But they shall not find Him, He has withdrawn Himself from them. They have dealt treacherously with the Lord, For they have begotten pagan children. Now a New Moon shall devour them and their heritage.” Hosea 5:6,7
“They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The stalk has no bud; It shall never produce meal. If it should produce, aliens would swallow it up.” Hosea 8:7
“Through deceit they refuse to know Me” says the Lord. Jeremiah 9:6
“What profit is the image, that its maker should carve it, The molded image, a teacher of lies….”Habakkuk 2:18
“They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one turns back from his wickedness. All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.” Jer 23:14
“Everyone loves bribes and follows after rewards. They do not defend the fatherless, Nor does the cause of the widow come before them.” Isaiah 2:23
“Her heads judge for a bribe, her priests teach for pay and her prophets divine for money.” Micah 3:11
“They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord.” Jer 23:16
“For the leaders of this people cause them to err; And those who are led by them are destroyed.” Isaiah 9:16
“For it is a people of no understanding; Therefore He who made them will not have mercy on them, And He who formed them will show them no favor.” Isaiah 28:16
“I will gather those who sorrow over the appointed assembly, who are among you, to whom it’s reproach is a burden. Behold, at that time I will deal with all who afflict you; I will save the lame, And gather those who were driven out; I will appoint them for praise and fame in every land where they were put to shame.” Zephaniah 3:18,19
“Come out of her My people…………….” Revelation 18:4
“Outside the camp with Jesus, bearing His reproach.” Hebrews 13:13
Loretta
June 27, 2012
thank you Lynn, wonderful verses…….. very appropriate!
sharon
August 16, 2012
wow,i know how you feel god told me that the church that i was in he said i was serving them i am now out of church and at times i feel awkward because church is so ingrained in us and it takes God to reveal this to us i just want to follow the Lord and do as he says and i start to feeling guilty but i know God has spoken things to me and i know it is right and i want to constantly seek him and not man and to serve hi m and do what he wants me to do.thanks for your testimony.
robert lane
August 27, 2012
HI LORETTA, wonderful testimony! I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE YOU MY EMAIL ADDRESS, robert_lane_64@hotmail.com God bless1
donna
August 29, 2012
wow Loretta! I might have told you this before…But your testimony could be mine word for word except the Catholic part. I KNOW all those tears, stuggles, heart aches, confussion, Yet that DEEP knowing and longing for The Truth (Jesus). And I know that Rejection that comes with all this….and He’s worth it all. Dear Lord you are worth it all as we continue walking in this wilderness that only you can get us through. God bless and keep you Dear One I hope we can meet face to face one day……..
Sharryl E. Kokoska
August 29, 2012
I am so thankful to have meet you (even if is on facebook 🙂 What a testimony and what a blessing you are to me.
robert-lane_
August 30, 2012
Hi loretta, as you know i am not on facebook now. I would really like if you can email your insights on facebook to me. much appreciated! say hello to sister Evelyn for me, God bless!
Churchless (@churchless)
February 1, 2013
Please remove my copyrighted image from your blog and any other places where you may be using it. I designed this image for my own personal twitter account and my blog (http://bit.ly/U88DsF) in August 2007; and while I am flattered that you obviously like the image, I am quite saddened to find it being used without my permission. Thank you.
Loretta
February 17, 2013
hello there Churchless, I’ve removed your picture. I apologize. I wrote you a few emails but they came back to me, it said emails cannot be sent to the twitter email that was left in the “email” portion of your comment. There’s just some things I’d like to chat about with you. I looked at your twitter and found your blogs but there is no way to contact you on your blogs. If you would not mind, please send another comment here and add a functioning email in the comment send field, I’m the only one who can see it. I’d love to contact you. thanks! ~ Loretta
Loretta
March 26, 2013
Dear Churchless, Please forgive me. love, Loretta
Loretta
June 26, 2014
Here is a list of doctrines and traditions I rejected upon leaving Evangelicalism and yea, the entire System of Christendom.
http://revivemeolord.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/jesus-cleansing-the-temple/
a gentle iconoclast
August 8, 2014
Thank you, Loretta! God bless you!
Maria
Loretta
August 14, 2014
hi Maria, Thank you! What a lovely blog you have, and I love your “screen name” also- “a gentle iconoclast”.
a gentle iconoclast
August 8, 2014
Sorry for such a blah comment above, Loretta!
I’m a former Catholic (like you, I thought about coming a nun – yikes!), and since Jesus saved me at 29 and my husband at 39, we’ve been through the wars. The extent of the wars isn’t what I listed below. The things below were difficult, but not as bad as personal battles. God bless you for sharing what you have – it was truly helpful. I thank God that He sustained you in your faith.
Right now we’re attending an independent Baptist church. I believe there is much more freedom there than where you went, but the place is still 501(c)3 and the people care kind of lot about things that should fall away from them, like the building, and Secret Sisters, and doing sales to raise money. And people are hardened in sin (astrology, freemasonry) without anyone caring about them enough to confront them. They too have pledged allegiance to the flag in church – and flags are up front.
We started out in the Christian Missionary Alliance. We were told by the pastor and elders that we’d be happier in another church because at the time I was into charismatic things and they called me a false prophetess. I had asked the Lord for the gift of discernment, and the first thing that happened was that I saw something that concerned me and instead of praying about it, I talked to these men about it. We had pledged ourselves to this church, but… So we attended another Alliance church and pledged ourselves there, but people began doing some things that concerned – the youth was getting out of hand, and some other things happened – there was a lack of reverence in worship service, for one thing. So we left, breaking another pledge (divorcing again) and we became Associate Reformed Presbyterians (!) for a time – big name for tiny church – but we didn’t join. We know enough now not to become a member of this Baptist church. It is our for-now church, and we do have a true concern for the people. But we’ve been saved from becoming members because you have to subscribe to their entire doctrinal list, which includes a pre-trib rapture and cessationism. I don’t have all the answers about these last two things, but I know enough not to make up a doctrinal statement beyond what is clear in the Bible. I believe that God is keeping us from signing because we can affirm everything with them.
Anyway – churchianity can kill you. Our experience was pretty mild compared to yours. But I did attend seminary for a couple years in Christian Ed and had some wild experiences there, such as being asked in “spiritual formation” class to make up names for God. Hey! God is not amused though we might laugh at this. The experience, though, was valuable, giving me a love for history – for church history.
Lately, I’ve learned just how evil and un-Christian the system the Lord brought both you and me out of actually is. (No wonder I’m depressed…)
May the Lord protect you and lead you clearly in everything!
Maria
Loretta
August 14, 2014
Dear Maria,
Thank you for your heartfelt letter! My computer is running very slow so I am going to try again later to respond.
a gentle iconoclast
August 14, 2014
I understand! Thank you for reading what I wrote. I usually don’t let people on-line know my story.
Mac Nelson
November 7, 2014
Thank you Loretta, for sharing your testimony. It seems that the pain we go thru is needed to draw us to Him. I have found that abandoning religion is a process, therefore most who are in this process are somewhere on a continuum of breaking free. Some want to break free but are still looking for that “perfect church”; some are staying but want to leave; some have left but are still getting their “religion” from preachers on gospel radio and tv; some have left and feel guilty for leaving; some have left and tell themselves they are just “taking a break”; some are apologetic to friends saying they haven’t been going for awhile because…..;
I was on that continuum too, but I have completed the journey, and now I’m FREE; and it is wonderful, for now I am free to fully embrace Christ, and He has taught me from His words in the four gospels so well that now I finally understand the bible. I haven’t been to church for four years, don’t plan on ever going again; don’t listened to any preachers on gospel tv and radio; nor do I read anything written by someone still in the religious system of the church. Why risk absorbing all that religious leaven. Sure, I am in the wilderness, and those still trapped in religion think I am a heritic, and my fellowship is mainly with others on the internet, but I make no apologies to anyone. I encourage them to break free too, and look only to Jesus to be your Guide, Teacher, Leader, and Pastor; He will be your all in all. For when you have Jesus, you have everything. What sped up this process the most was finally seeing Saul/Paul as the charlatan, wolf in sheeps clothing, self deceived deceiver of others that he is; and that the gospel that he proclaims is as different from the pure Gospel of Jesus as day and night, black and white, Christ and ………. God Bless!
lifewithporpoise
December 13, 2015
Wow Loretta just wow.
It’s like reading my own story with a few variations.
His sheep truly do hear his voice, and follow him. (Straight out the church door!)
How liberating it is to talk to the Lord in private and know how simple it truly is to walk with Him.
Christianity is temple worship version 2.
The Pharisees are still with us.
Loretta
January 13, 2016
Hello, thanks for sharing! Let me know if you would like to contribute your story here; just let me know via comments (I see them in moderation before I approve them) and we can chat via email if you would like to mail me your own story. : )
Elizabeth
April 8, 2016
Love this! Loretta, this is Beth Griffith Schafer from Face Book.
Loretta
May 16, 2016
hi Beth!! thanks!
Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus
October 29, 2016
Dear Loretta, I do understand the hurt and humiliation as a person of worth that you have experienced and yes it is because I too have walked the same road. I have no bitterness and resentment towards any of those who hurt me and if asked would help them, this is the same with those who have hurt me with Blogging, they too are deceived believing they are right and I’m in error and yet they have no Scriptural confirmation to confirm both.
What I have found because of the Ministries I have been involved with over the years and yes I’m a Grannie Annie now, is that those who have been in Cults or Churches with false teaching even though they leave them, what they were taught leaves a residue and they continue to believe what is not confirmed in Scripture as God’s Truth but comes from the thinking, reasoning and logic of the Carnal flesh, which we are to put to death by the Spirit (Romans 8 :12-15- Romans 6 – Colossians 3:4-6 -Galatians 5:24 -26) as we aim to be Perfected in Love. (Matthew 5:48 -Hebrews 6:1 -Philippians 3:14-16 -2Timithy 3:17-1 John 4:17-19 -1John 4:16-17 -2Corinthians 13:11) We work out our Salvation not meaning work for it.
Having found I was very confused Loretta, I asked God for His Wisdom and Empowering through The Spirit, which none of us were Born with and Jesus our only Teacher is now leading me into all Truth, I’m still learning but what He has shown me is very much confirmed in Scripture or Creation or both but to save detail here I will leave a link for you below.
Confused – http://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/my-battle-with-confusion/
I would also to like to affirm with you now Loretta God’s Truth that it was not Him that causes us to suffer but yes He is with us when we are going through it giving us His Strength to endure. Suffering and Hardship, is not how He Teaches us or molds and shapes us as we see confirmed in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirits fire is gentle, melting the hard icy parts of our heart that have been frosted over because of what Life has brought to us or Satan has when he puts us to the test and other in their Carnal childish flesh and also what we reap from what we sow that is wrong. God does not willingly afflict us, He did not give your husband Cancer to wake you out of your complacency but He works everything for good in our lives and that is what He is doing now in yours and mine.
Instead God gives us opportunities to walk in The Fruit of the Spirit which He did with you Loretta as you reached out in Love to those who were hurting and by doing this your Carnal flesh was being put to death and you were Storing up Treasure in Heaven, yes you experienced exhaustion but that was physical not Spiritual, we all need to take time to rest and recuperate but not build boundaries as you were told, this is Secular reasoning and centered on self.
I would like to now share with you Loretta some of the Scripture that God gave me to hold onto in the Storms that Life, others and Satan has brought to me and also a Song that uplifts me and restores my focus in our God of Love and yes you are very much Loved Loretta.
Lamentations 3: 33 For God doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
Isaiah 43:1-3 – Do not be afraid, for I have ransomed you. I have called you by name; you are mine. When you go through deep waters and great trouble, I will be with you. When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown! When you walk through the fire of oppression, you will not be burned up; the flames will not consume you. For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour.”
Jeremiah 29 :11-12 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
I will keep you in my Prayers Loretta, please do the same or me.
Christian Love and Blessings – Anne.
Lindsey
September 8, 2021
Thank you for sharing. When I was contemplating religion…and why there were so many divisions in churches, denominations, etc. I asked about our church and had been told what they did was biblical and that other churches didn’t all follow the same doctrine correctly. But something didn’t sit right in my heart. I felt like I was dying on the inside and it terrified me. I thought I was being directed to leave, but leaders told me that maybe it was Satan whispering in my ear and that I just didn’t like structure/authority. When that was said to me, it was like a ginormous weight coming upon me to crush me. I wound up having health issues shortly after and left the ministry. And I thank God for that.
While I was on my own and praying for guidance and understanding, I came across Judges 5…and this really hit me…because it was exactly the question I was asking while I was trying to do some searching of my heart.
“Among the divisions of Reuben there were great resolves of heart. Why did you sit among the sheep folds to hear the pipings for the flocks? The divisions of Reuben have great searchings of heart.” – Judges 5:15-16 (in the song of Deborah)
The divisions of the Beloved/Beheld Son (Reuben) were staying in the sheep pens – that’s was what I was doing. But it was not what I was being guided to do.
These divisions exist so some will see that they need to get out of the sheep folds/sheep pens. Then they will hear the whistling/piping of the Shepherd calling for his flock.